Badland Part 103 Pilots and Builders Forum

The F-5 Fujita is the flagship of the Badland Aircraft line of ultralights. So what does this mean? Each Badland model differs in wing size, landing gear, brake type, and other features. Just like with automobiles Badland Aircraft offers upgrades to any model. Most of these upgrades are higher quality and better performance changes. There is one exception which is a major improvement. The F-5 Fujita has a very unique frame. The frame is titanium. So what's so great about titanium? Titanium is not only stronger than steal, it has another desirable trait especially for ultralights. This trait is the super lightweight of titanium. The F-5 Fujita frame only weighs in at 26 pounds. If I remember correctly this is around 16+ pounds lighter than the F-1 through F-4 frame. Now 16+ pounds doesn't sound like much, but to aircraft, especially ultralights, 16+ pounds is an excellent weight savings. This frame does come at a cost. Titanium isn't inexpensive. For some (like me), it's well worth it. I recommend doing research and then deciding on what you want your Badland Aircraft to do, and select the model that fits your needs and desires in ultralight flight.

Do you know if they have actually built an F-5 yet? I was under the impression that it was a theoretical concept.

Yes Chris has built and delivered I think one but possibly two. I'm on the list and hoping he gets to my kit build soon. I'm looking forward to the weight savings the titanium will bring. Expensive - Yes, but hey I can't take my retirement with me so I might as well enjoy it - right? I know Chris has ordered or is ordering a CNC machine to do precision cutting for both this steal as well as titanium frame parts. Chris is also a craftsman (and I'm not sure but I think) master welder. I do know he has experience with welding both materials. Can you imagine lifting the frame (no wings of course) of an airplane with one arm? Yes, ultralight, but really -titanium puts that in the true sense of the word.

Chris mentioned last week when I visited the factory that he would be using CNC in the very near future to do the cuts. He already has the ribs and most of the brackets cut by CNC. I saw what a fantastic benefit this is when I visited the Rans factory in December. The CNC notched tubes fit together perfectly after just a quick brush with a wire wheel to clean up the plasma-cut edges. As a welder myself with a lot of experience notching tubes, I was really impressed with how much labor this can save. It also makes the final product accuracy much easier to achieve.

That is fantastic news. I try and stay out of Chris's hair in bugging him of where I'm at on the kit build list. I figure the less I bug him, the more time he has to spend building the kits in front of mine. Thank you though for passing on the info on the CNC equipment. The perfect fitting parts adds strength and speed to build. Nothing you don't know since it sounds like you've got experience in metal work.

The F1 through F4 fuselage weighs about 42 pounds, then does anyone know how much the wings weigh without fabric or paint?

Terry the weight may vary a bit because the different versions come with different lengths of wings. I'll see if I can get a hold of Chris to give a general idea of what they come in at and get back to you.

Todd

Got you an answer Terry. I must have gotten lucky and caught Chris at his keyboard -

Bare wing weighs about 33lbs.

Thank you,

Chris Deuel
Badland Aircraft
507-218-8232

My kit has been started!

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Todd

I make assumptions that the material supply challenges are finally unclogged! I'm going to be at his shop in 2 weeks so I'll probably get to check out the progress.

mrpilotron wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 12:35 am I make assumptions that the material supply challenges are finally unclogged! I'm going to be at his shop in 2 weeks so I'll probably get to check out the progress.

Actually, he's still having a lot of difficulty getting the Titanium. However, I've been on the list for a long time. We discussed the issue a few weeks ago. He agreed, it's time to get this kit built, whatever it takes. It still may be some time before the full kit is ready, but it's moving forward, so I'm thrilled about that. And yes, please check it out. Knowing Mr. Perfection (Chris - though we've never met face to face), I know he's going to be picky about every little thing. That's certainly a benefit when it comes to choosing Chris to build a plane.

Thanks,
Todd